To Breed Or Not To Breed

[chinchilis]

Hi,
I am just start out as a hobby breeder, I have had a chin for almost a year. now i am adding on quality chins to breed, and i have a few that are not of the best quality,, and not every one can afford to spend 200. to 500. for a chin. what i would like to do is breed the one that are not the best of quality for people as pet and so forth, and i know i'm goin to hear, about health problems, i have already checked in to that with the ones I have, and i do have good qualtiy, that would be able to be sold as pets or breeding. and i do understand, getting up every hour to feed and something going wrong with the brith and so forth, i have done a lot of reading on this forum and other ones, and i think part of it you learn as you go.
Everyone is always so helpful on here, when we do have questions,.
but sometimes i feel that the experienced breeder look down upon us sometimes. I feel we always have to start some where. and I'm doing my best I'm trying to learn as much as i can I'm starting to go to shows to learn on color and fur quality.
I understand it can be hard for well known breeders to see someone wanting to breed, that they want to make sure that the person knows what their in for.
I'm really not sure if what i said made any sense to any one :| , its just something i read, about someone wanting to start breeding, and this person was jumped all over on, oh other person not knowing what their doing and want to breed :banghead: , and should be say, hey let us help and tell the best things to and what we have learned. I'm not trying to make any one mad out there or say anything bad about anyone,
thanks everyone, i just needed to get that off my chest. :D

[chinchilis]

wow, i was kind of afraid to come back to check the therad, i thought people would have jumped all over me, I just felt bad for this other person that wanted to start breeding and it was on another forum and some slammed them for wanting to do this.
I have had a lot of people help me on here and breeders in Mich have helped and i have gotten wonder chins from them. And thank you for all those that have helped up new breeder and new chin owners.
thank you

[Alecia]

Well...
I just have to say that I think that ANY breeders - hobby, fur, or otherwise - should breed with the intent to better the species in mind. I just started breeding too, and I would never breed with "just pet quality" in mind - and I'm talking looks/health, not temperment. Obviously temperment is part of the overall package, and something that I do breed for as well - but never *just* temperment. I would never breed animals that I deemed to be of inferior quality.
That's all I have to say about what you've written. I understand what you're saying - MANY others have said/felt the same way - but I cannot condone that decision/goal. That's my two cents.

[x_maddy]

I must agree that if you are planning on breeding to pair up quality chins. It`s not all about health problems. If people start breeding less than breeding quality chinchillas, the traits are passed to their offspring, and even if they are just sold as pets .. what`s the point when you can sell gorgeous breeding quality chins and thus improve the chinchillas population and "improve the species".

I know what you mean - I`ve seen people bashed for wanted to breed. As long as you do your research and know what you`re doing I don`t see a problem with it. But yea, I would recommend breeding only the breeding quality ones you have until you have enough money to afford more of `em. =]

I think it`s an interesting topic .. being looked down on for wanted to breed. Everyone starts somewhere, and what if this person never even asked the question and just went along and did it ? It seems theya re trying to learn about breeding and are being responsible for doing so. =]

[chinchilis]

I feel that if the chin is very good health and the fur is good, but say he to small or his ears are to large, so his not to go into breeding. but put him into breeding that he would have kits that would carrier on the good health and teeth , gene, for pople that just are looking for pet chin and can not afford 200 for a chin, where they can get a pet for 50. 70. what happens when you have 2 excellent chin and they throw some bad qualtiy chins, what do you do with those chins. you would hopefully sell them for pets.
And thats great to strive for better qualtiy, and be able to show your chins. and be known for having top of the line chins, but some people may want to breed both ways, and if the health of the chins are very good. which i feel is very important,

[chinchilis]

I see what your saying about putting a good line with a bad, I would keep my good line with a good line, I wont put a 200.00 chin with a 50. chin. that just doesnt seem like the smart thing to do.
and i'm not hear to hurt any one feelings or bash any one.
I'm not talking about putting a chin that has bad teeth or cancer runs in their genes, or any other bad gene, i'm just say about the chins that have the large ear or on the small side, and in very good health, and you have a chin that is top of the line and he has bad teeth and you have to take him out of breeding. which is very heart breaking if has wonderful fur or size.

[Cashy98]

You know... some dog breeders require to have the animal fixed if it is being sold as "pet" quality.


Just a thought.

[Alecia]

There is always a chance that the kits will not be of breeding quality, even with two beautiful animals. That's life. THEN you sell the kits as pet only. However, the difference between that situation and you is that you are breeding for the purpose of getting pet only kits. That's a VERY big difference. You *can* take an animal that has some aspects lacking - for example, a beautiful white that just lacks size, or a violet that lacks fur density - and pair it with an animal that is beautiful and complements the first - like a large, beautifully furred standard, or a big ebony. Etc. However, you should aim for having the best of the best.

The other argument you're going to see is that if you cannot afford $200-500 to spend on buying an animal, how could you ever afford a possible vet bill of $1000+?

There are SO many great breeders out there that ARE breeding to better the species and DO breed the best animals that also sell pet only animals. It happens! Not every kit is going to be breeding/show worthy. In those cases, they will sell the animals off for a pet price to pet only homes. Additionally, there are always retired breeders for sale, I have one myself, and they generally are around the $50 range for a nice standard. Plus, pets can be beautiful, show quality animals too! Just because someone only wants a pet doesn't mean that pet has to be of poor quality.

Health is not the only issue, though it is one of the most important ones.

[chinchilis]

I must agree that if you are planning on breeding to pair up quality chins. It`s not all about health problems. If people start breeding less than breeding quality chinchillas, the traits are passed to their offspring, and even if they are just sold as pets .. what`s the point when you can sell gorgeous breeding quality chins and thus improve the chinchillas population and "improve the species".

I know what you mean - I`ve seen people bashed for wanted to breed. As long as you do your research and know what you`re doing I don`t see a problem with it. But yea, I would recommend breeding only the breeding quality ones you have until you have enough money to afford more of `em. =]

I think it`s an interesting topic .. being looked down on for wanted to breed. Everyone starts somewhere, and what if this person never even asked the question and just went along and did it ? It seems theya re trying to learn about breeding and are being responsible for doing so. =]

didn't you say something else on another therad, it almost the same topic.

[chinchilis]

I got into this because i love chins i know i will never make money. because i will always be putting it back in to the chins,. but we could say the same for cats or dogs, you can get cats for free but spend 1000. at the vet, and thats what i had to do 3 years ago, so i think that fall for all animals vet will allways cost. thats why i would not breed a chin that has teeth problem or any there health problems.
You could have two of the top line chins that have won awards, and there kits could not be good qualitiy, so you just dont know what you will get, and you hope for the best,