Pedigrees... How far back?

[icerogue]

I was curious about this but, I wasn't sure if this was quite the right forum for this post, so I posted it here.


In everbody's opinion, how far back should a pedigree on a breeding or show animal go? Do you think both sides of a pedigree should go back four or five generations on an animal? Or is it alright if you just know back to the grandparents?

[GunningChins]

It is always nice to have an animal whose pedigree goes back 5 generations - however to me it all depends on whom you are buying the chin from.

I would take a nice chin from a well known, honest breeder without a pedigree over a 5 gen. ped. chin from someone I didnt trust.
Pedigrees are only worth the paper they're written on if you can't trust the breeder - doesnt take much to make up some codes and claim they're top chins from top breeders!

So in my opinion, it really depends on the breeder, just grandparents is fine by me so long as I know the breeder is honest, but a true, traceable, healthy 5 (or more) generation pedigree, teamed with a great animal is always going to be the gold standard :)

[smokeyrd]

while a 5 gen pedigree is always the most desirable, many people only give 2 gen peds, which seems to be quite the standard. I agree that it all depends on who you get your little ones from, but that while some may not have a ped, they can still be exceptional quality.

[jsmyrnov]

2 generations seem to be the standard for non-breeders! I do suppose that if you breed pet store chins, this may be the standard. I think if you only go up one or two and you don't know the breeders quite well, it's not worth the pedigree. Recessive genes and bad traits can go back much further than that. Standars themselves can carry recessive genes through many generations. Unless I know the breeder well, I accept nothing less than three and I like to know where everyone came from (breeder or ranch name).

This is just how I run things and other people may do things differently. I know some breeders will accept nothing less than SIX generations back. One of mine goes back 7 generations.


Icerouge-I think this was the perfect place for this! I look forward to seeing some of the other breeders responses! :)

[smokeyrd]

ahhh...that makes me feel alot better. From the other thread that im sure you know about, alot were saying only 2 generations...I agree that thats not enough to really be effective...thanks for clearing that up

[forchins]

We'd all prefer to know as many generations as we can get, but I can tell you that some of the big ranchers don't give more than 2. I've asked for more, but they said, in kind words, no.

[Ravnos]

Most of what I have read that was written by dog breeders about show dogs says they want at least 4 generations documented. Seems to me the more, the better. Still, a pedigree does not assure quality.

Rav

[tunes]

I give at least three generations back. If I can, I give more, but it isn't always possible because the cards that the breeders give don't always go that far back.

[smokeyrd]

I guess its all a matter of preference...some people will not take a chin with any less than 3 or 5 generations back, and some breeders will only supply 2 generations, More is better, no doubt, but sometimes, I guess you have to deal with what you get. I think Im going to start a thread on this subject in particular, hopefully I wont get anyone yelling at me thinking its a spin-off of that other post. (tunes, im sure you remember :banghead:

[HobbyGuy]

If the breeder selling the animal has not breed chinchillas for over ten years, then I want to know what herd bloodlines are in the parents. If the parents come from a well-known and respected breeder, then that is good enough. I have a couple chinchillas that are "retired breeders" meaning that they came out of someone's breeding run. They have ear tags for the herd they came from, but no more. They were not breed at the ranch I bought them from. I know the folks the herds they came from, one is an Empress Hall of Fame member the other is a sanctioned Empress judge. That's enough for me.