Selling TOV Whites

[Megan.]

When you are selling a kit out of TOV animal and a White animal- How do you know forsure the chin is a TOV White?

Do you mark the chins higher if you believe they are TOV Whites? What happens if they are bred, and don't produce a TOV offspring? Do you refund the "extra" money because the buyer was mislead?

I don't breed for TOV Whites, but I may end up getting a pair together that produces them. All Offspring from that pair that is white will be noted as POSSIBLE TOV whites, but I will sell them for the same price as a normal white... If they are TOV Whites- My loss; The buyers gain. You can't be sure that it's a TOV animal, without breeding it. I don't want to charge someone for a TOV animal, and have it turn out as a regular white...

[haleybobl]

I bought a white that I was unaware of it being TOV till it gave me a b/v. I was like "what the"? Untill I talked to the original breeder and dug through my pedigrees and figured out that there was one TOV beige somewhere in the line. :rofl:

[McCaille]

We have one TOV White girl here and her daughter, who I suspect is also TOV, but we won't know for sure till she's bred. Mom has produced a brown velvet when with a beige. Any of her babies that we would sell would go as White possible TOV. Saves a lot of confusion later. Of course you can have a Black Velvet (obviously TOV) who never produces a TOV kit (not sure if thats ever happened, but it could happen...right?) ...would you refund the money in that case? Just food for though. :P

[Megan.]

I wouldn't in that case- at is is a known fact the chin was TOV.. but with a white, you can't tell forsure :)

[Kansas City Chinchillas]

I have a TOV white mosaic who's phenotype clearly shows the TOV gene and would not hesitate to sell him as a TOV white mosaic. I understand that many TOV whites do not show the gene in their phenotype. In that case I would not ask more in price for the chin but note on the pedigree a possible TOV gene.

[kryssy]

I think the higher charge for a TOV is ok if you know for sure or not. If you don't and it's a possibility, and you list it as only being possible then it's up to the buyer to take the chance. You shouldn't need to refund any money in that case, unless it had been totally misrepresnted. Like McCallie said, you can have a Black Velvet (obviously TOV) who never produces a TOV kit. It could happen.
It's totally up to you how you want to sell them, as long as the buyer knows there is the possibility of TOV. Especially with the whole lethal factors involved.

[lilchinchilla]

Some whites you can't tell are tov. Not all or most.

I had one girl born here recently who looked like a bv, and I even put down she was a bv in my software where I keep track of the kits, as she looked like one when she was born...By the time she was a month old, she was looking a bit like a silver and now she looks completely silver but for some black around her nose. Her fur is all evenly tipped silver. I would not hesitate to sell her as a tov mosaic either.
Her brother was the same way when he was born too.

Anything that doesn't look tov to me, I say is possible tov. Like I had a tan white born here a couple years back and I said he was possible tov(his dad is tov white ebony..). He was almost all white with some shade of tan to him, and as he grew up at his owners home, he started to get dark spots and stuff on him.

Of course that doesn't guarantee he is tov and I still say he is possible tov. The owner says he is tov though, due to how dark the spots are that had shown up as he got older.
I don't think he's had kits yet to prove if he is tov though.

[SHChins]

You cannot know for sure unless you breed that kit and it throws TOV. I never classify any of my kits Tov on the pedigree I just put poss TOV. If the kit is indeed white but we all know we can tell if it is a blk velvet

[Chin Slave]

Haley, I was sure I wrote "possibly TOV" on the pedigree or told you or something. It's weird that I didn't. I wasn't possitive Leo was TOV, since he was a "possibly TOV" as well. Leo's dad was a TOV beige mosaic, and Leo was white. Leo has had 5 kits, 1 standard, 4 white. If Haley's chin (one of leo's whites) hadn't had a BV, I still wouldn't know if Leo was TOV.

I sell whites as whites, I USUALLY tell the buyer about the possible presence of TOV.

Dawn :)

[lilchinchilla]

Were you referring to my post Jenny? :confused: I didn't say he was tov. I said:I still say he is possible tov. The owner says he is tov though, due to how dark the spots are that had shown up as he got older.
I don't think he's had kits yet to prove if he is tov though.

The other kit, I am positive is tov, because she looked like a black velvet when born as did a brother of hers(you know how some kits look like standards when born and then turn out to be a silver as they age? Something like that, but she looked like a bv, turned white as she aged.). Both lightened up over time to a silver shade but still have black masks on the face and paw stripes. Anything that isn't obviously tov, I do not say is tov, I say possibly tov.