Brevi. vs Langeria

[crazy4chins]

Is the Brevi. a seperate species or just a extreme of the langeria species.

Since there are many differences between the Brevi. and Langeria/costina
is the Brevi. a seperate species .and are the results of mating between Brevi./langeria. similiar to the mating of horses and donkeys and are the rusulting offspring a hybred of two different related species.

The Brevi. has a gestation of 128 days
the langeria has a gestation of 110
The research done in south america suggests that the division ,between the two was a north -south one and not a east/west or altitude one as is commonly quoted the evidence also suggests that there was not any interaction between the two in the wild. They where seperated by a vast inhospitable region.

Are the advantages of Brevi. chins outweighed by the disadvantages?
Are the advantages of the Langeria outweighes by the disadvantages?

Do you have experience with both types in your herd?
Wich type do you prefer?
Why?

[CHINCHILDREN]

Is the Brevi. a seperate species or just a extreme of the langeria species.

Since there are many differences between the Brevi. and Langeria/costina
is the Brevi. a seperate species .and are the results of mating between Brevi./langeria. similiar to the mating of horses and donkeys and are the rusulting offspring a hybred of two different related species.

The Brevi. has a gestation of 128 days
the langeria has a gestation of 110
The research done in south america suggests that the division ,between the two was a north -south one and not a east/west or altitude one as is commonly quoted the evidence also suggests that there was not any interaction between the two in the wild. They where seperated by a vast inhospitable region.

Are the advantages of Brevi. chins outweighed by the disadvantages?
Are the advantages of the Langeria outweighes by the disadvantages?

Do you have experience with both types in your herd?
Wich type do you prefer?
Why?
all excellent questions.
may i add the question if we actually have today 'pure' brevis or 'pure' langerias or do we just have the result of generations of the two being mixed and the phenotype showing more of one or the other?

[Mondai]

For the record, they are NOT Langeria, they are Lanigera. And I'm sure this is known, already, but Brevi is short for Brevicaudata, in case anyone wanted to know. And Hybrid is the word you were looking for, not Hybred. Hybred is the past tense of the verb Hybreed, which is rarely seen. But, that's all I can add to this discussion. (( I know, I'm being a pain ATM, feel free to ignore my attitude, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people call something by its improper name. ))

[CHINCHILDREN]

For the record, they are NOT Langeria, they are Lanigera. And I'm sure this is known, already, but Brevi is short for Brevicaudata, in case anyone wanted to know. And Hybrid is the word you were looking for, not Hybred. Hybred is the past tense of the verb Hybreed, which is rarely seen. But, that's all I can add to this discussion. (( I know, I'm being a pain ATM, feel free to ignore my attitude, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people call something by its improper name. ))
that is quite alright. my own pet peeve is people who focus on form rather than content. if you can forgive mine, i will be happy to forgive yours :winkgrin:

and by the way, you comments all ring true. it is just that i personally have the dubious honor of spelling poorley in 3 languages. and 2 of them, unlike english ARE phonetic for the most part...:rofl:

[crazy4chins]

Any thoughts on the suject other then my grammer and spelling (or lack there of)
I personally believe they are two different species.
Do I think there are any "pure" Brevi. or lanigera left? No I don't but then I don't believe in "pure" standards either. I think that there are different types , Depending on what characteristics are present. Even many "purebreed" registries allow animals to be regestered as "purebred" when they are not 100 % pure.
If you have two "pure" brevi. one is a "bolivana" type and one is a "indiana" type .when mated are the offspring "pure" Brevi.
I personally prefer the Highland type of lanigera, over the other types.
Why ? I can have the large dark chin,that still is clear ,with good density with a lower rate of birthing complications.

[CHINCHILDREN]

I personally believe they are two different species.

at the risk of showing my ignorance; can two different species breed and produce live offspring capable or reproducing? doesn't the fact that they CAN mean they are the same species???

[wink568]

at the risk of showing my ignorance; can two different species breed and produce live offspring capable or reproducing? doesn't the fact that they CAN mean they are the same species??? __________________

That is a very good question. I know that horses and donkeys produce mules, which can't breed. Same with Tigers and Lions producing offspring. I think (don't quote me on this) Domestic dogs and wolves were at one point considered different "species" but that was changed as they can produce fertile offspring. If this is true, then only animals of the same species can breed. I believe dogs, no matter what breed, are of the same species, though I am not 100% sure..

[crazy4chins]

Lions and tigers are different species and can produce live young. Horses and donkeys are different species. I believe there are also reports of some of the different monkey species being able to produce live young when crossed. while most Hybrids are sterile all are not. There are documented cases of mules(horse/donkey cross) being fertile.
there is a great debate in science today some scientists believe that two different human species mated and produced live young.

[dondeb562]

Different species of birds can also have fetrile offspring as well. This topic would be similar to the African Gray parrot. There are 3 different sub species that can be bred together to produce fertile offspring that just look slightly different then the congo or timneh.

[Terbear24]

I thought all humans were one species.


[QUOTE] there is a great debate in science today some scientists believe that two different human species mated and produced live young.[QUOTE]


This is a very interesting topic and I never really got into too much detail with this, but I would like to!