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quizboy
05-01-2006, 11:44 PM
I need some advice.
My girlfriend and I got a hedgehog just after last christmas. It was my nephew's, but he wanted to find a good home for it. She's had hoglets, and my sister and uncle have a couple of her kids.
We'd taken her to the vet for an initial visit, and she had mites and was treated for them. Then her eye started looking infected. We went back to the vet, and he removed a small growth on her third eyelid. It was negative for cancer, but seemed to have some plant matter causing it.
A couple of weeks later her eye got to looking infected again. We called the vet again, and he said to keep a watch on it. A week ago her eye took a turn for the worse; I think she scratched it. We rushed to the vet, and he thought she wouldn't lose the eye. He called back later and said that they'd need to remove the eye to get to the infection underneath it. The eye came back positive for cancer, so I guess it's good that they removed it. We were just very upset. We know that her starting to get cancer means she is closer to the end than we thought.
After the surgery, we changed the litter in her cage from aspen to yesterday's news (thought that might have been the "plant matter" and yesterday's news is supposed to be better after surgery). She was slow to get back to eating, but we thought her mouth must be sore. She'd eat a couple of live crickets and spit the third or fourth one out. The same with mealworms. The next day, we fed her several times seperated by a couple of hours, and she ate several insects each time but wouldn't touch her normal kibble (which she normally goes right for).
Then things got worse on Friday. She wouldn't eat anything. We've seen her drink several times (more than usual). We've been having to syringe feed her. The vet said saturday to bring her in monday if she hadn't started eating on her own. The vet today said things look ok with her, but it might be the cancer keeping her from eating. They think they got all the cancer, and told us to watch out for bad breathing because it should spread there first. I'm not sure why the cancer would keep her from eating now, but not before the surgery. The vet was pleased with the way her eye looked and said it wasn't infected.
Anyway, she's still not eating on her own. We've tried almost everything we can think of. The first thing that she would start to eat was some of her kibble ground up to powder and we put some omega 3 fatty acid oil on it. She really liked that, and ate that one day.
We tried her normal kibble wet to make it soft. We tried baby foods (turkey, ham, applesauce, banana, fruit medley). We tried to feed her mealworms, gut-loaded freeze dried crickets, live crickets, and canned grasshoppers.
Today, the vet gave us some AD canned food, and I picked up some Science Diet Kitten (wet and dry). I read about the latter on these forums. I know that she can't eat that all the time, but we're just trying to get her to eat on her own. She'd lost about 15% of her body weight in the past week, so we're trying to get her some food that will keep her energy up.
We had syringed her some water yesterday because we hadn't seen her drink yesterday, and today we started giving her pedialyte.
Can any of you suggest anything else to try? The vet suggested feeding her about 10% of her body weight. She's 320grams, so we were trying 32 grams, or he said 10cc's. We gave her 4-5 cc's of water yesterday, and we're trying 8-10cc's of pedialyte tonight.
We're trying so hard to get her better, and we're not sure what else to try. Can any of you suggest anything else?
We are also looking at when we should let her go. Right now, I don't think it's time. She's a little active, but unsteady on her feet (from lack of food I'm sure). She'll run in her wheel, but slowly.
BTW, she's a runner; she runs all the time, and squirms when we hold her. She's normally so active. She's getting up and moving around, but she's just unsteady. She'll sniff her food, she'll even nibble at it, but not eat it. I can't figure out why she won't just swallow it.
She poops. It's dark green and tarry, but she's under a lot of stress. She must not be completely blocked up.
I really hope she pulls out of this. I can hear her running in her wheel now.

--Steven

hemi_mygirl
05-02-2006, 11:16 AM
My girl is dealing with bone cancer right now, and she's not being treated for it.

If she's unsteady on her feet, maybe she's cold. If her belly nice and warm? Running on the wheel slowly is understandable - my girl is doing the same thing.

If she won't eat on her own after 3 days, you'll have to forcefeed. The vet can help with that. And if she continues to lose weight, it could be that her time is very near.

And this may not be recommended by alot of people here, but does she like shreddies? Try moistening shreddies with water and a tiny bit of milk. I add a bit of brown sugar to it. This is something my fussy girl will eat anytime, and she'll just gobble it up. Maybe you can tempt her appetite with that?

Nancy
05-02-2006, 01:47 PM
Fatty liver disease can start after day 2 of not eating so you need to syringe feed her. The problem is that once the liver starts to be affected they don't want to eat which makes the liver worse etc.

There is a liquid food available at the vets called Feline Rebound that will provide her with everything she needs and often this is easier to get them to take than food. I usually mix some of it with the AD or ground kibble. You can also syringe her Boost. If she won't take much at a time, do it often, round the clock if necessary.

If she is wobbly it could mean she is too cool or very possibly because of the illness. If you don't already, put a human heating pad on low under her bed area.

Main thing is to keep her warm and get some food into her regardless of what it is.

Good luck.

HedgieMate
05-03-2006, 08:29 AM
Did she eat last night? Poor hedgie... She has already gone through so much during her cancer ordeal. I pray that she'll start eating very soon, if she hasn't yet. Sorry that I can't offer any advice, but my thoughts are with you and your hedgie... :flowers:

quizboy
05-03-2006, 03:39 PM
Tilly still isn't eating. Thanks for your kind words and advice. We're calling the vet today to keep in touch, and we have an appointment Friday if she still isn't eating then. I think they want to Xray her to see if there's some cancer spread internally.
She should be warm enough. We have one of those microwaveable heating discs in her cage and heat it up every 10-12 hrs. It retains it's heat for 8-10 hours or so. Plus, I live in Austin, TX, so the temperature is getting hot (80-90 degrees during the day).
The vet gave us some AD food on Monday, and we've been syringe feeding her that. I don't know what shreddies are. I assume they are something like shredded wheat that we have here.
It's so odd. She seems interested in her food; when we put her food dish in, she'll come over and look in it, but not eat. A couple of days ago, I was able to insist on her eating a cricket or mealworm, and she just spit them back out without chewing them.
She's usually so active, and is still moving around a lot. She hasn't been pooping much the past day, just a small thick dark pellet or two. I guess her poor body is using all the food. She'd been going some before yesterday, but not like she used to. The poor girl has been through so much.
She's still got the attitude though. She fights us when we have to feed her "the hard way." She humphs at us when we get too close to her in her house. She'll huff at us, run to her wheel, run for a while, then crawl into a corner and go to sleep. We've been letting her sleep a lot to recover from all of this.
Thanks again for your advice and concern.

--Steven

mommy2ryan
05-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Maybe he has a throat issue?

mommy2ryan
05-04-2006, 04:33 PM
oops she.....

quizboy
05-05-2006, 10:50 AM
Tilly ate a little bit last night! She nibbled at some of her normal kibble we'd ground up into flour and put some omega 3 fish oil on (she seems to really like this!). She also ate three mealworms from our hands. We were both so happy! She didn't eat enough, so we still syringed her some of the prescription cat food, but we took it as a good sign.
The only change (other than more time had passed) was that we called the vet and spoke to him about her not pooping. While on the phone, she had a _big_ poop, and we described it to him. It was thick like mucus and dark green; he prescribed some ulcer medicine for her, and we started it night before last.
The ulcer medication may have helped enough for her to get her appetite back; that's what we are hoping.
Thanks for all your concerns and advice, and I'll post again as time passes. Thanks.

--Steven

hedgies4life
05-05-2006, 08:05 PM
Maybe try just feeding her the ground kible with oil on it. If that's what she'll eat, then that's what you should feed her. And if it's the regualr kibble, it's going to be better for her than only treats, bugs, etc. What type of kibble are you feeding her? Did you change her staple diet recently? Because if you did, perhaps that's why she's not keen on eating. Just a thought.

hedgies4life
05-05-2006, 08:08 PM
Oh just another thought...try some giving some Gatorade to your hedgehog. The electrolytes and vitamins are good for them when they have diarrhea. That's what my breeder recommended last summer when my hedgie had yucky poops, and it cleared right up.