Falsifying Show chins?

[oneillrk]

what are your feelings of people entering chins that are not bred by them? I am wondering just how many people out there lie and put their ranch brands on chins in "shows" to appear as if they bred them? Clearly this happens, I have been going to shows for the past 3+ years, and have seen the chins entered. Why would someone take an awesome animal to a field day, just after nationals, who is stunning! Why would that breeder not take said animal to the nationals? What kind of pride does that get someone? Are your animals that bad that you cant enter your offspring? And if that is the case, take a year or so and breed for better, have patience, listen to your mentors (unless of course they are telling you to falsify entries)

Any thoughts?

[Kansas City Chinchillas]

I have no respect for people who do this.

[lilchinchilla]

Geez, someone is actually doing that? That sucks. So deceitful if you ask me.

[Ashleigh]

well we take chins to shows that weren't bred by us, to see how they do and what they place is what keeps them here as well as the judges comments. We also do it for expericance with grooming but we NEVER EVER give ourselfs credit with breeding of that animal. when it says animal No. we put the breeders tag, the animals number and who it was bred by. We do ask though before we show an animal that is not ours if its alright with that breeder if we do so. We have never been told no and they want to know what it placed and its comments as well.
but for the people who show animals that they personally didnt breed them, and then take all credit for it, that in just not right. From what we have been told, you can show aother breeders animals at claiming/field day shows and state shows but never at the national level. I'm not sure if rules have changed or not but no one ever told us we cant do it, we just have to make sure credit is given where it is due.

[oneillrk]

Exactly, I agree with showing chins not bred by you for evaluation purposes, BUT dont flat out lie on the paperwork.. or even when verbally asked if you bred said animal....

[chinchewy1]

I would have no respect for those who do that either. I do not even agree that when you buy a pregnent female that you should be able to list yourself as the breeder for her babies. You didn't put the parents together.. I am just getting into showing so I have shown mostly chins that I have bought so they could be evaluated but credit is ALWAYS given to the breeder.. If someone would cheat at that then what else will they lie about?

[Ashleigh]

i would be highly pissed off is someone was to show my animal and take credit for it. thats just not right at all. That is another reason why I tag all my chinchillas born here, only some dont get tagged if i dont have tags at that moment but most always get tagged, even to pet only homes. I'm sure its not to hard to take a tag off but the scar it would leave you think someone might notice it. Tattoos are harder to get rid of but you dont want it known so much that the judges know whos animals are whos.

[The Animal Farm]

Say whaaaaat? People actually waste their time doing that? :banghead: That's just blows ethics out of the water. I guess I just have too much pride. I would want my reputation based on my work.

[Riven]

Unfortunately people do not only take the tags out, but put their own tags in the same hole.... This way people "think" that this person breds these great animals and they think it will up their sales and such.
If I get an animal from a person that I know tags I usually ask them to be tagged, that way if anything would happen like ALL my chins got out I'd be sure to know who's who, and especially if anything happened to me. I used to not worry about keeping cage cards, but then I thought what if someone else needs to know who's who. Like if I was in a terrible accident or something.... So now everyone has cage cards.

If I show an animal I didn't breed and it does well, I like to take pride in the fact that I CHOSE that animal, even if I didn't breed it. To me that shows I know about quality in the animals I purchase for breeding stock.

[tunes]

I was discussing this with someone the other day - more along the lines of how would you prevent someone taking credit for another animal. Ear tags don't mean anything. I generally cut the ear tags off when I get the chins home. I think the only way to really prevent it would be tattooing. I know I've seen the information for that out there with rabbits, but rabbits ears are so much thicker than a chinchilla, so I'm not sure that it would be safe for a chinchilla.

I have shown other people's animals, but always list them as the breeder. I agree, I think it's a great tool for evaluation of the animals in your herd. I wouldn't hide the fact that I didn't breed the animal.