Tobiano in reference to hedgehogs

[kaiteedyd]

This is starting to get on my nerves so I've written a short opinion article on this latest trend.

I don't blame any of you for using the term to describe your hedgehogs pattern as it have become very common. But I'd like you all to take a minute to consider that it's not very descriptive and infact, it's quite an incorrect use of the term.

http://www.firstcoasthedgehogs.com/articlestobiano.html

[illinidairychic]

I agree 100% with you Katie, but like you said it's hard to get away from it when soo many people know it and ask for it. I use to say high white pintos and got told that was all wrong too....

P.S. I don't even use tobiano on my site but I know I've probably used it on here when discribing an animal....

[Nancy]

I agree with you Katie. It's like the breeders who use the term Salt & Pepper for chocolates and grays. I get so many people wanting a S&P so I give the same answer everytime that true Salt & Peppers are extremely rare and many unscrupulous breeders will use the term just because it is cute and they think it sells more hogs. I also tell people that the use of the term S&P is a good way to judge a breeders knowledge and ethics. If they don't know enough to know the correct colour name then what else don't they know. If they do know the correct colour term and still use S&P, then obviously they are lieing to the customer and what else are they lieing about.

I believe using the correct terms for colours shows that you are honest, know what you are talking about, and are not just out to take advantage of a cute name at the customers expense. :)

[quillover]

I agree the first time I herd it I was thinking like the horse. I have raised horses so am vary familiar with that term . So needless to say I was disapointed what the hedgie acutally looked like. Not that I am not a big fan of the high white pinto's I am waiting for my first one as I speek, and i can't wait to get her.

[Vampira_666]

I have to agree as well-- they are Pinto-- not Tobiano

I am a huge fan of Pinto's(especially high white) and am currently waiting on my first 2!! :D And I can't wait to get them! I'm very excited-- btu would never use the term Tobiano to decribe them--

although while describing to a friend the other day what a pinto hedgehog was-- I did compair them to a Tobiano horse-- just as a reference since my friend is very educated in horses

[HamorHollow]

I am not fond of the term 'tobiano' being used in hedgehogs either.

I do have to disagree with you calling them 'high white pintos' too. 'high white' is used as a way to describe a large percentage of white in snowflake hedgehogs. The gene that causes a hedgehog to snowflake is completely different then the one that causes pinto.

My trendy name for these hedgehogs with extreme amounts of pinto is 'uber pinto', meaning very pinto. Some people may like it, others may not, and that is fine. IMO, it is simple and descriptive.

Kelly

[ryder98]

I have to agree as well-- they are Pinto-- not Tobiano

I am a huge fan of Pinto's(especially high white) and am currently waiting on my first 2!! :D And I can't wait to get them! I'm very excited-- btu would never use the term Tobiano to decribe them--

although while describing to a friend the other day what a pinto hedgehog was-- I did compair them to a Tobiano horse-- just as a reference since my friend is very educated in horses

I would think that a person who is very educated in horses would recognise the term "Pinto" without "Tobiano" having to be used to furthur spell it out. "Pinto" is a more popular and recognisable term in the horse world than "Tobiano" is. Why someone would need to hear the word "Tobiano" to really nail down in their minds eye what colour pattern a hedgehog sports is beyond me :dunno:

I suppose there are no rules saying that colours and patterns must be named alike in all species of animals. But it would make life a bit easier for those of us who are familiar with coat colour names, genetics, and coat patterns of various species of animals.

Heather ~ :high5:

[kaiteedyd]

I am not fond of the term 'tobiano' being used in hedgehogs either.

I do have to disagree with you calling them 'high white pintos' too. 'high white' is used as a way to describe a large percentage of white in snowflake hedgehogs. The gene that causes a hedgehog to snowflake is completely different then the one that causes pinto.

My trendy name for these hedgehogs with extreme amounts of pinto is 'uber pinto', meaning very pinto. Some people may like it, others may not, and that is fine. IMO, it is simple and descriptive.

Kelly

There is already a standard way to differentiate between snowflakes and snowflakes with lots of white, or all white quills.

Basecolor Snowflake = less then 90% white quills
Basecolor White = more then 90% white quills.

I do applaude you for not using the term tobiano though, and I don't see any problem with calling pinto's with lots of white 'uber-pintos'. I also don't see anything wrong with calling them 'high white pintos'. I've never heard anyone refer to snowflakes has 'high white snowflakes'.
What I have heard is then being called Dark Eyed Whites.

[Sketch]

Just standing in from the horses side of things.. i was wondering, why the hedgies were referred to as Tobianos. Very nice to see a post stating whether it was really correct or not since Really Tobiano is a pattern descriptive of white markings that cross on the spine of a horse. Otherwise, Hedgies with spots on either side or just one would be an Overo.. LOL I can just see it now.

Not that I am involved in the Hedgie but if I were walking into a breeder's and she said "High White Pinto" I'd know exactly what she was talking about. "Uber-Pinto" would have me slightly confused.

[kaiteedyd]

Just standing in from the horses side of things.. i was wondering, why the hedgies were referred to as Tobianos. Very nice to see a post stating whether it was really correct or not since Really Tobiano is a pattern descriptive of white markings that cross on the spine of a horse. Otherwise, Hedgies with spots on either side or just one would be an Overo.. LOL I can just see it now.

Not that I am involved in the Hedgie but if I were walking into a breeder's and she said "High White Pinto" I'd know exactly what she was talking about. "Uber-Pinto" would have me slightly confused.

Exactly! Tobiano for hedgehogs just had me scratcthing my head. Horse-people would recognize the word, but not many others. Whenever I hear tobiano I think horses.